Karen Hurd debunks coconut oil

[Apple]

Here you go. Garrett Smith prefers sunflower oil , #ggenereux claims that coconut oil is no good because it delivers vit A all around your system and now biochemist Karen Hurd calls it coconut fad . Who would think...

Mitochondria converts saturated fat into unsaturated fat through the beta oxidation cycle , 6 step process, within which you create free-radical damage , that is radical oxidative species which damage your DNA within cells . Now you know why you have aging , gray hair , cancer ...
We alter our DNA because we have these free radicals because we had to turn bad fat (saturated) into a good fat (unsaturated)...

starting on 1:21:31

View: https://youtu.be/haVM_q-uDrI?si=oDQdE8CY2SZyvMmX&t=4891


In This Episode they Talk About:

• Lacy’s health journey
• How she found out about Karen Hurd’s protocol
• What she loves about Karen’s protocol
• Lacy’s personal improvements since starting this protocol
• Karen’s personal experience that led her to the discovery/development of her protocol
• The pushback she received from the medical community during her daughter’s illness
• Her daughter’s healing with soluble fiber
• How this experience led her to start nutritional training and her education in biochemistry
• The liver’s role in clearing toxins from the body
• Where we absorb fats in our body and why it worked against Ruth’s situation
• Why beans are the solution and how they help remove toxins
• Common problems with the thyroid and things that contribute to them
• Top issues with the GI tract and what contributes to them
• The accessibility of Karen’s courses
• Auto-immune dysfunctions as a scapegoat
• Karen’s thoughts on Lyme disease and how you can develop your own immunity
• Adverse effects of sugar and caffeine that people may not realize
• Some common neurological issues and brain chemistry
• Issues that contribute to diabetes and how it can be reversed or controlled with protocol
• Unexplained infertility and the factors that contribute to the ripeness of the eggs
• What’s happening with PCOS and endometriosis
• Supplements as cellular mediators, and how they can be problematic
• Gene mutations and environmental factors
• How carbon and hydrogen bond to form saturated or unsaturated fats
• Different types of oils and which are best for you
• How blue light and exercise can have adverse effects on your system
• What contributes to aging and how we can reverse the aging process
• Using oil as a substitute for nuts if you have a food allergy
• Acne is a soluble fiber issue
• What causes facial hair for women
• A separate protocol for your lymph system and immune system
• Some signs that the protocol is working and things are improving
• The courses Karen has available and what’s coming out in the future
• Why we have to be in the process for the long game

 

[Brundle]

So the takeaway is that coconut oil is great as a topical moisturizer for the skin, but not good taken internally.

But where does this leave Peat's parable of the pigs? Where the wise pigs who ate coconut oil became healthy and slim, while the foolish pigs who ate soybean fat became fat and marketable?

 

[Apple]

So the takeaway is that coconut oil is great as a topical moisturizer for the skin, but not good taken internally.

But where does this leave Peat's parable of the pigs? Where the wise pigs who ate coconut oil became healthy and slim, while the foolish pigs who ate soybean fat became fat and marketable?

Actually soybean (oil) is not recommended on karen Hurd protocol due to estrogen and other stuff .
I think she doesn't really recommend consuming oils because they are concentrated fats though I saw some cooking recipes with added olive oil on her website.

 

[Apple]

1:32:00
"Sugar converts into saturated fat.." which is bad
She reversed her gray hair by restricting saturated fats and eating good oils - Olive oil, safflower oil, grapeseed oil, avocado.
She eats cup and a half of nuts a day ... salted in order to help and break those double bonds in fats.

She is smart
I know I know ... the whole idea is just too hurting to hear to a true petarian .

 

[Dolomite]

"Sugar converts into saturated fat.." which is bad
She reversed her gray hair by restricting saturated fats and eating good oils - Olive oil, safflower oil, grapeseed oil, avocado.
She eats cup and a half of nuts a day ... salted in order to help and break those double bonds in fats.


I know I know ... the whole idea is just too hurting to hear to a true petarian .

I don't know what to think. It is hard to reconcile.

Amazing "Croissant Diet" Experiment Results (Stearic Acid/Saturated Fat)

That's interesting, I feel more sluggish when I pair it with protein. Not quite sure what it says about my metabolism but I know I am far from optimal. I’m far from optimal too! But I cannot not have protein in my meals. Anytime I have only carbs or fats I feel so sick. Carbs and fat together...

raypeatforum.com

 

[Apple]

I don't know what to think. It is hard to reconcile.

Amazing "Croissant Diet" Experiment Results (Stearic Acid/Saturated Fat)

That's interesting, I feel more sluggish when I pair it with protein. Not quite sure what it says about my metabolism but I know I am far from optimal. I’m far from optimal too! But I cannot not have protein in my meals. Anytime I have only carbs or fats I feel so sick. Carbs and fat together...

raypeatforum.com

Yeah... I love those butter croissants but then I have to suffer acne for a week or so and they are actually hard to digest.
Any way...RP himself never said croissants are good for you and he preffered skimmed or 1% milk for whatever reason.

 

[Apple]

1:36:00
"If you can't eat nuts you can eat oils ...avocado, olive or what ever oil and then you have to salt it in order have electron to make this chemical reaction happen ( to break double bonds in oils ) ...
But you have to eat oils separately from beans because they bind oils ( no matter good or bad oils )"

 

[Dutchie]

I wonder if saturated fat is bad/not preferred,then why do our bodies create sat.fat from soluble fiber for instance?

 

[Dave Clark]

Maybe Garrett should look into Marshall's info on just exactly what oleic acid does to energy metabolism in the cell, before he thinks sunflower oil is so great.

 

[htuoyabc]

Guys, I think Karen is out to lunch on this one. Brad Marshall has a lot of videos like this one on his blog and youtube channel:

Our Livers SHRED omega 3 PUFA. For better or for worse. - Fire In A Bottle

Omega 3 fats are shredded by perosixomes in the liver and turned into oleic acid. Oleic acid associates with diabetes risk.

fireinabottle.net

 

[Peater]

Vit A was never added to foods here like it is elsewhere but the creep of vegetable oils was just as prevalent and the fatness and illness came along with it.

I won't be eating PUFAs in quantities any time soon.

 

[htuoyabc]

Here are some of the videos on Brad's youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@fireinabottle3410/search?query=omega

I think Brad makes a good case that consuming unsaturated fats can be harmful.

 

[Apple]

I wonder if saturated fat is bad/not preferred,then why do our bodies create sat.fat from soluble fiber for instance?

I would pose question differently: Why sugars in excess stimulate the production of saturated fatty acids which happens in liver and as a result we got liver inflamation, congested liver, elevated level of fatty acid in blood and all the consequences related to that .
Excess glucose gets stored in the liver as glycogen or, with the help of insulin, converted into fatty acids, circulated to other parts of the body and stored as fat in adipose tissue. When there is an overabundance of fatty acids, fat builds up in the liver.
“Fatty liver caused by the high intake of carbohydrates can be as bad as that due to excessive alcohol intake, and it contributes to various diseases including type 2 diabetes,” said Sul. “The conversion of excess glucose into fatty acids occurs in the liver, but there are many steps in this process that have not been fully understood.”

I think processed refined oils, both saturated or unsaturated , when in excess will lead to problems. Same with refined carbohydrates.
RP didn't promote high fat diet nor did he love full fat milk. He belived PUFAs will kill you though sure he understood that it is impossible to exclude them from the diet. He was ok with olive oil, eggs, some pork and hummus .
His idea that you need to balance unsaturated fats by adding saturated (like frying pork in coconut oil) doesn't make much sense to me unless for convinience .

 

[Apple]

Guys, I think Karen is out to lunch on this one. Brad Marshall has a lot of videos like this one on his blog and youtube channel:

Our Livers SHRED omega 3 PUFA. For better or for worse. - Fire In A Bottle

Omega 3 fats are shredded by perosixomes in the liver and turned into oleic acid. Oleic acid associates with diabetes risk.

fireinabottle.net

Brad Marshall is like some crazy version of Haidut with hair , he overcomplicates things , going into nitty-gritty of fat and sugar conversions which are just theoretical, trying to solve his problems with excessive weight, eventually coming to solution that being fat is just good for you , dreaded PUFAs that will hybernate you and cause stupor ...
Maybe it is more relevant to an average american used to fastfood in Mcdonald's, sure, all the salt , mayo , ketchup, food additives to increase taste will make you ravenously hungry, add to this coca cola and coffee with sugar and cheese cakes.... well, it is in the core of their bussiness to make you want to eat more

 

[DanDare]

Interesting stuff. I like hearing opposite views. I think we need a practical study of coconut oil vs. Sunflower oil to sure this out.

 

[Apple]

Coconut oil as a protective carrier of dietary vitamin A fed to ruminants​

Abstract​

Safflower and coconut oil were compared as protective carriers of dietary vitamin A supplemented to abomasally cannulated sheep. Vitamin A, 240,000 I.U., was predissolved in 11.7 g of safflower or coconut oil and bolused directly into the rumen of mature wethers along with 4 g of chromic oxide. The vitamin A was pre-dissolved in 0, 11.7, 23.4 or 35.0 g of coconut oil in experiment 2. Determination of carrier oil protectiveness of solubilized dietary vitamin A was based on recoveries of vitamin A supplement and chromic oxide in abomasal digesta 24 h post dosage. Vitamin A recoveries were significantly higher (P < 0.05) when dissolved in coconut oil (55.6%) compared to safflower oil (35.5%). Recoveries of vitamin A in abomasal digesta increased linearly (P < 0.01) with the amount of carrier coconut oil in experiment 2. Results of these experiments support the potential use of coconut oil as a protective carrier of ruminal labile vitamin A.

 

[Dutchie]

I would pose question differently: Why sugars in excess stimulate the production of saturated fatty acids which happens in liver and as a result we got liver inflamation, congested liver, elevated level of fatty acid in blood and all the consequences related to that .
Excess glucose gets stored in the liver as glycogen or, with the help of insulin, converted into fatty acids, circulated to other parts of the body and stored as fat in adipose tissue. When there is an overabundance of fatty acids, fat builds up in the liver.
“Fatty liver caused by the high intake of carbohydrates can be as bad as that due to excessive alcohol intake, and it contributes to various diseases including type 2 diabetes,” said Sul. “The conversion of excess glucose into fatty acids occurs in the liver, but there are many steps in this process that have not been fully understood.”

I think processed refined oils, both saturated or unsaturated , when in excess will lead to problems. Same with refined carbohydrates.
RP didn't promote high fat diet nor did he love full fat milk. He belived PUFAs will kill you though sure he understood that it is impossible to exclude them from the diet. He was ok with olive oil, eggs, some pork and hummus .
His idea that you need to balance unsaturated fats by adding saturated (like frying pork in coconut oil) doesn't make much sense to me unless for convinience .

That's not what I meant.
It doesn't make sense that the body can make sat.fat from carbohydrates.
If sat fat is so bad,then why wouldn't the body make unsaturated fat from it?

Have fun with your sunflower oil, but I'm definitely going to pass on it

 

[htuoyabc]

Why do the mice fed the most saturated fat live longer in this study?

Dietary saturated fats increases longevity more than PUFA

Interesting study on the influence of various fatty acids on longevity in mice on calorie restriction (with a few caveats). The mice eating saturated fats lived the longest followed by the high omega 6 group and the high omega 3 group. So there is a perfect correlation between the degree of...

raypeatforum.com

Why do human populations living on seal blubber have a gene mutation that forces most of the PUFA to be metabolized in the peroxisomes, but those living on ruminant fats do not?
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Q23DGdRjIM


I'm not saying we should all run out and start consuming lots of hydrogenated coconut oil. But I do not think omega 3 and omega 6 fats are beneficial to consume. Karen Hurd obviously thinks so, but she doesn't get into the details as to why in the interview you posted.

 

[RealNeat]

Jeez if the standard is set this low for a “debunking” then Im not sure any amount of info will remedy it.


Regardless, sunflower oil is specifically analyzed here.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cddk7DnBkDQ

 

[lvysaur]

Some people are probably adapted to PUFAs, especially people ancestral to cold climates.