Low Toxin Diet Black-eyed peas: molybdenum superfood

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If I look at the macros (esp. protein/fiber) 100g of dry beans equals to 400g + of drained canned beans to me.

Livestrong says 1/2 cup of cooked black-eyed peas has 288 mcgs. The source apparently is this site: Office of Dietary Supplements - Molybdenum

But when you look at source 19, the paper does not have the data, so it's unclear where this info is from.

This site says 1/2 cup cooked is 29g dry: Beans Conversion Calculator (Dried, Canned, and Cooked Beans)

So the amount of molybdenum in black beans is even a bit higher than in black-eyed peas.
 

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Consideration has to be taken that foods grown in different areas, soils, organic, non-organic, etc. are going to affect the amount of minerals and other nutrients in the food. Like brail nuts as an example, they have tested in ranges from a few mcgs to hundreds of mcgs per brazil nut. Organically grown food tends to test out higher in nutrients as well. I don't think it is as cut and dry to say there are X amount of molybdenum per Y beans, etc.
 
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It is very niche. It is also very old school, developed in the 1850s before vitamins were isolated and based on the work of Rudolf Virchow who demonstrated the structure and functioning of the cells for the first time. I am very interested in researching old therapies as I think on the whole many of them were and still are valid but were strangled by the new science of profit (within drug AND supplement market).
No doubt. Could you point me to any resources for the therapies or Virchow's work? I'd be appreciative. First time I've heard the name.

For instance sunlight (helio) therapy was THE way to heal lupus (tuberculosis) at the start of the 20th century until antibiotics came onto the market.
Haha and now people are scared of the sun! In a lateral relation, I have recently been taking a few moments each day to look directly at the sun and so far it's been a great benefit. I've got a coo-coo theory in my head that we can absorb sunlight through our eyes and use it to energize/rebuild our internal organs.
I have also had success in getting rid of a fungal foot infection that I have had for 30 years with Silica.
Whoa!
I know that many people swear by high dose supplements and I think they have their place but for people who just want to do things more gently (like me) there are def. other options. We live in such a fast-paced world now and expect so much in so little time but I believe our bodies were 'designed' for much slower internal changes.
100%
Glacial milk, which contains micro-doses of every mineral (including the 'toxic metals' I mentioned before) is a solution containing bedrock which has been ground up under the glacier under amazing forces. It feeds the valleys and is therefore taken up by the crops. I find this absolutely fascinating. I would totally buy glacial milk if it was on the market today.
You reminded me of some information I got from a farmer who sold me raw milk one time. The guy had one giant vat of chilled raw milk and he filled my 33oz mason jars for $2 each out of a spigot at the bottom of the tank lol.

I asked him if he had been accosted by the FDA, the answer was yes, but he was able to keep the business going.

I then asked him about agricultural techniques and putting minerals in the soil, he was quite enthused about the topic and gave me a testimony about the changes he had witnessed in his own farm that went something like this:

He's a third generation farmer. For fifteen years he would expect to spend up to $20,000 a year on veterinarian bills for his cattle alone (he also had chickens). He would expect to have a dozen stillbirth cattle to be born each year.

Well, one year after he had learned about biodynamic farming and read some stuff from Joel Salatin, he went all-in on buying organic feed for his farm as well as adding extra minerals into his feed (I believe he listed magnesium sulfate, calcium chloride, and a few others).
He then kept a dedicated part of his farm to grow a variety of weeds which were composted and put into the soil to add more minerals to his farming food supply yet.

Within 2 years he explained to me that, by reconstituting his soil with minerals so that the plants had a better immune system, the following changes were observed -
- no more stillbirths from cattle at all
- veterinary bills went down to basically zero because the animals weren't getting sick
- the polyphenol and mineral content of his fruits and vegetables went up 5x via BRIX testing
- the mosquito population of his farm disappeared because of a shift in the ecosystem... more frogs meant more birds, and so on.
- he greatly reduced the need to use pesticides on his plants
- though there were wasp nests in one of his buildings, they never stung anybody
- according to spectrometry testing, the mineral values of the milk from his cattle was also 5x

So on and so forth. He was swearing up and down to me that the best thing he ever did was put minerals in his soil and feed, that it caused his farm to self-regulate with no problems.

I am also reminded of Harvey Lisle's book on using rock powders for agriculture, among other magnetic purpose.
Tissue salts are ground up in the same way so that minuscule amounts are administered to the body and it is said that this is all that's needed to 'retrain' cellular uptake.
I see that they're a category of health supplement sold online. Somehow I can't remember ever seeing this throughout my studies.
Organic foods grown in mineral rich soils should be able to do the same thing without a doubt.
Indeeeeeed.

Of mention, I've only eaten two brands of black-eyed peas so far. One of them was a cheap store brand with disodium EDTA added and the other was a 'down-to-earth' label with sayings of how food quality increases the quality of life. Unsurprisingly, the cheap one with disodium EDTA added gave me an 8 hour headache (and I didn't feel right until I hit the sauna) while the more expensive product has invigorated me with a distinct metallic taste which I'm not repulsed by (my caveman logic tells me that makes it useful).
The Schüssler salt No. 33 is primarily used for problems with uric acid as well as to support bones, tooth enamel and iron metabolism. Depending on the side effects, molybdenum metallicum can also strengthen a weakened immune system and stabilize the acid-base balance.
Sounds about right. I can relate to the symptoms related to uric acid, gout, and the kidneys.
 
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I would be careful with molybdate supplementation. Low-dose should be safe, food even better. I think I have overdone it in the last months (0.5-1mg). In higher amounts (I don't know how to convert the dosage from those papers) it can actually decrease the active sulfate (PAPS)
Thanks for sharing the studies. That's a salient point.

I suppose you noticed that you had difficulty digesting some sulfurous foods after supplementing molybdenum for a time? Or what else happened in your experience?
 
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Actually, most beans probably contain roughly the same amounts of molybdenum. The issue is that most beans haven't yet been sampled.

https://fdc.nal.usda.gov/food-search?query=beans&type=Foundation
Those who have been analyzed contain around 500 - 1000 mcg per 100g dry.
That'd be good news if true.

I must say that I've been getting a unique metallic taste from black-eyed peas which I haven't had from any other style of bean. Could just be the flavor of the beans, but it's unusually chalky by comparison to say, kidney, pinto, black, and garbanzo beans. 🤷‍♂️ Could be a placebo. Who knows.
 

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Thanks for sharing the studies. That's a salient point.

I suppose you noticed that you had difficulty digesting some sulfurous foods after supplementing molybdenum for a time? Or what else happened in your experience?
Molybdenum shifted my detoxification to a new level for a while. But after long-term supplementation I somehow noticed a worsening of bile flow, general vitality, digestive health and an unusual kind of paleness.

Maybe it lowered PAPS or SULT enzymes, but that's just a hypothesis. I tried some copper to see if it's related to a potential copper deficiency but it didn't improve, but actually worsened my symptoms. Maybe it lowered PAPS and SULT enzymes as those are needed for the synthesis of many signaling peptides like CCK (bile stimulant), or structual components like mucin (gastrointestinal lining) AND phase II detoxification (sulfation). Maybe that's why I noticed worse bile flow and GI distress. But who knows. I am open to other possibilities aswell.

I know some who have recovered their ME/CFS on a protocol that includes B vitamins, minerals, NAC, glycine BUT also quite hefty doses of 1-2mg of molybdenum, which is quite a lot, but still recognized as in the tolerable range for human consumption.

I know that after I stopped molybdenum and added in MSM, that my bile flow returned, my digestion calmed down and my energy went up significantly. My paleness vanished and the healthy pink skin tone came back.

Shawn Bean thinks that sulfation and proper bile flow is essential for proper copper metabolism and said that thinks like MSM or epsom salt baths have helped his clients overcome copper dysregulation (low blood copper and ceruloplasmin, but sufficient or excess stores in the tissue like in the liver)
And I noticed that many people with so called unresponsive "copper deficiency" do in fact more often than not have cholestatic/stagnant liver problems.

I think I never really had sulfite sensivity / sulfur intolerance type symptoms.
 
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I know that after I stopped molybdenum and added in MSM, that my bile flow returned, my digestion calmed down and my energy went up significantly. My paleness vanished and the healthy pink skin tone came back.

Shawn Bean thinks that sulfation and proper bile flow is essential for proper copper metabolism and said that thinks like MSM or epsom salt baths have helped his clients overcome copper dysregulation (low blood copper and ceruloplasmin, but sufficient or excess stores in the tissue like in the liver)
And I noticed that many people with so called unresponsive "copper deficiency" do in fact more often than not have cholestatic/stagnant liver problems.
Nice. Makes me think about the hypocrisy of Garrett Smith being both anti-copper and anti-sulfur.

With his recommendations, people are getting better on meat (sulfur) & beans (sulfur + copper) or
Meat (sulfur) & starch.

However, I've never heard of someone having lasting health improvements on only beans (sulfur + copper) & starch without meat.

So then it stands to reason that perhaps the added sulfur (and zinc, and potassium, and protein) of the meat is what enables a person to metabolize the high copper content of the beans.
 

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Nice. Makes me think about the hypocrisy of Garrett Smith being both anti-copper and anti-sulfur.

With his recommendations, people are getting better on meat (sulfur) & beans (sulfur + copper) or
Meat (sulfur) & starch.

However, I've never heard of someone having lasting health improvements on only beans (sulfur + copper) & starch without meat.

So then it stands to reason that perhaps the added sulfur (and zinc, and potassium, and protein) of the meat is what enables a person to metabolize the high copper content of the beans.
I'm always confused about liver being high in toxins, it's loaded with selenium too. I'm still eating low VA and never plan on eating liver again. I believe it does contain excess copper and retinol. I just mean it seems like a piece of the puzzle is missing.
 

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No doubt. Could you point me to any resources for the therapies or Virchow's work? I'd be appreciative. First time I've heard the name.
Yes absolutely. Schüssler was the name of the guy who was a contemporary of Virchow's and devised/discovered the tissue salts. Can I get back to you tomorrow with the resources as I have to look back at my notes for the sites and books.

Haha and now people are scared of the sun! In a lateral relation, I have recently been taking a few moments each day to look directly at the sun and so far it's been a great benefit. I've got a coo-coo theory in my head that we can absorb sunlight through our eyes and use it to energize/rebuild our internal organs.
oh well we can absolutely do that! I also had a hunch that our insides are filled with light. I just could not get the theory together until I stumbled upon Jack Kruse then I knew it for sure. Sunlight is not just about vitamin D. Be wary of Kruse's style though if you haven't come across him before. He certainly doesn't not dumb down the science and expects you to keep up with him at all times. There's a podcast he did with Huberman and Rick Rubin that's pretty informative and a wild ride. Apparently there was 4 hours of recording they had to edit it down. Dr. Jack Kruse and Andrew Huberman, Ph.D., Tetragrammaton with Rick Rubin • Podcast Notes

I would just say be very careful with your sunlight gazing. You don't want to sacrifice your night vision by staring at a fierce sun high in the sky for even a second. It is best to use the morning and evening sun when it is at a very low angle above the horizon - when sunlight has more Infrared in it. You can even do this with your eyes shut as the Infrared will easily penetrate through your eyelids and it will also penetrate through your clothes to your skin.

p.s. tissue salt No. 1 Calc Fluor is said to be able to strengthen the enamel of your teeth and bones.

You reminded me of some information I got from a farmer who sold me raw milk one time. The guy had one giant vat of chilled raw milk and he filled my 33oz mason jars for $2 each out of a spigot at the bottom of the tank lol.

I asked him if he had been accosted by the FDA, the answer was yes, but he was able to keep the business going.

I then asked him about agricultural techniques and putting minerals in the soil, he was quite enthused about the topic and gave me a testimony about the changes he had witnessed in his own farm that went something like this:

He's a third generation farmer. For fifteen years he would expect to spend up to $20,000 a year on veterinarian bills for his cattle alone (he also had chickens). He would expect to have a dozen stillbirth cattle to be born each year.

Well, one year after he had learned about biodynamic farming and read some stuff from Joel Salatin, he went all-in on buying organic feed for his farm as well as adding extra minerals into his feed (I believe he listed magnesium sulfate, calcium chloride, and a few others).
He then kept a dedicated part of his farm to grow a variety of weeds which were composted and put into the soil to add more minerals to his farming food supply yet.

Within 2 years he explained to me that, by reconstituting his soil with minerals so that the plants had a better immune system, the following changes were observed -
- no more stillbirths from cattle at all
- veterinary bills went down to basically zero because the animals weren't getting sick
- the polyphenol and mineral content of his fruits and vegetables went up 5x via BRIX testing
- the mosquito population of his farm disappeared because of a shift in the ecosystem... more frogs meant more birds, and so on.
- he greatly reduced the need to use pesticides on his plants
- though there were wasp nests in one of his buildings, they never stung anybody
- according to spectrometry testing, the mineral values of the milk from his cattle was also 5x

So on and so forth. He was swearing up and down to me that the best thing he ever did was put minerals in his soil and feed, that it caused his farm to self-regulate with no problems.
That is amazing but I am not at all surprised. We have totally lost our way. The earth is our lifeblood and once that is de-natured, we will be too, it is really quite simple!

I am also reminded of Harvey Lisle's book on using rock powders for agriculture, among other magnetic purpose.
oh this is fantastic and fascinating thanks for the link, and yes, completely relevant. I will read it, that's the kind of book I love. Interesting that it mentions Rudolf Steiner on the back flap. I do believe that the tissue salts, although they are derived from minerals (rock dust) work in a different way, you do not ingest them like a clay, you dissolve them under your tongue so they bypass the digestive system. They are also negatively charged. Who knows how they work, but they really do work.

I see that they're a category of health supplement sold online. Somehow I can't remember ever seeing this throughout my studies.
I suppose you could call them a health supplement, they are classified as one step removed from homeopathy, but they have nothing to do with 'like cures like' which is the homeopathic tenet. You take such minute doses, but they do supplement your health. Very hard to categorise.

Of mention, I've only eaten two brands of black-eyed peas so far. One of them was a cheap store brand with disodium EDTA added and the other was a 'down-to-earth' label with sayings of how food quality increases the quality of life. Unsurprisingly, the cheap one with disodium EDTA added gave me an 8 hour headache (and I didn't feel right until I hit the sauna) while the more expensive product has invigorated me with a distinct metallic taste which I'm not repulsed by (my caveman logic tells me that makes it useful).

I sometimes have this metallic taste too. I don't want to tell myself that it is a good or bad thing but I like it that you see it as a positive thing with your caveman logic, that's so eloquent and I take that as a sign you are using your intuition. I also think it is important just to observe and let the body get on with what it has to do.
 
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Yes absolutely. Schüssler was the name of the guy who was a contemporary of Virchow's and devised/discovered the tissue salts. Can I get back to you tomorrow with the resources as I have to look back at my notes for the sites and books.
Sweet! No rush. You've said plenty enough already for me to get on with my own legwork.
Be wary of Kruse's style though if you haven't come across him before. He certainly doesn't not dumb down the science and expects you to keep up with him at all times.
Haha yeah I was enthralled with his stuff for about a month when he first became popular. Quite the brain indeed, but perhaps to his own detriment with his enthusiasm about omega 3 and cold exposure. I was disappointed when he took down some of the lectures that were shared to YouTube and insisted on charging people something like $100 to access it. Ah well. I hope he looks better nowadays than he did when I last saw him.
I would just say be very careful with your sunlight gazing. You don't want to sacrifice your night vision by staring at a fierce sun high in the sky for even a second. It is best to use the morning and evening sun when it is at a very low angle above the horizon - when sunlight has more Infrared in it. You can even do this with your eyes shut as the Infrared will easily penetrate through your eyelids and it will also penetrate through your clothes to your skin.
Yes indeed. I'm usually doing this closer to sunset with the infrared:ultraviolet ratio factor in mind. There's a fine line between sensations of frying or rejuvenating myself, heh.
p.s. tissue salt No. 1 Calc Fluor is said to be able to strengthen the enamel of your teeth and bones.
Neato. I'll keep that in consideration. Only time I've noticed that I've run into problems with my hair, teeth, nails feeling brittle is if I go way overboard on bread or sauna use.
I do believe that the tissue salts, although they are derived from minerals (rock dust) work in a different way, you do not ingest them like a clay, you dissolve them under your tongue so they bypass the digestive system. They are also negatively charged. Who knows how they work, but they really do work.
Mhm.

Yeah, there's a very small excerpt in the Enlivened Rock Powders about a guy who reportedly took a teaspoon of azomite clay with breakfast, lunch, and dinner every day and he was in his mid-90s still laboring in a mine. That was all I needed to hear to eat tablespoons of the stuff at the time, but surprise surprise, it led me towards constipation and I ultimately dropped the experiment. Might try it again in the future with much smaller doses :p

Undoubtedly the health equation lies in minerals, though. They are the conductors of the light which keep us biologically online.

I sometimes have this metallic taste too. I don't want to tell myself that it is a good or bad thing but I like it that you see it as a positive thing with your caveman logic, that's so eloquent and I take that as a sign you are using your intuition. I also think it is important just to observe and let the body get on with what it has to do.
I have come to figure that if a particular viand is genuinely bad for me, I'll start to feel consequences within a matter of hours, sometimes immediately (especially in the case of isolated supplements).

On the contrary, if I do not feel anything negative after days of consuming it multiple times a day and then suddenly come down with a sickness (as I did recently with this season of black-eyed pea force-feeding), then I assume that the cause of the sickness was a 'healing crisis' in which my body accrued a certain amount of select nutrients that were needed to kick out XYZ obstacle, metal, pesticide, chemical, etc.
 

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@Twohandsondeck @Ras this is the book that I first read in depth about the tissue salts:


and this:


then I read this (which is written by a homeopath and a little skeptical about Schussler because he moved on from homeopathy) but actually is a really good reference:


Tim Goyetche has some good posts on youtube about facial analysis and the tissue salts: Tim Goyetche - Goyetche Institute

this site is very good in german and can be translated into english:

this is the book where I discovered glacial milk when I was researching tissue salts:


there is really not much info out there, I had to do a lot of digging and these were basically all I could find but if anyone finds anything else please post below.
 

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@Twohandsondeck @Ras this is the book that I first read in depth about the tissue salts:


and this:


then I read this (which is written by a homeopath and a little skeptical about Schussler because he moved on from homeopathy) but actually is a really good reference:


Tim Goyetche has some good posts on youtube about facial analysis and the tissue salts: Tim Goyetche - Goyetche Institute

this site is very good in german and can be translated into english:

this is the book where I discovered glacial milk when I was researching tissue salts:


there is really not much info out there, I had to do a lot of digging and these were basically all I could find but if anyone finds anything else please post below.
Thank you!
 

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The symptom list for Tissue Salt 33 Molybdenum from german website Kranke.de with clunky Brave translation:

An imbalance of molybdenum metallicum can lead to the following symptoms:
  • Difficulty breathing
  • diarrhea
  • Swelling at hands & feet
  • Swelling around the eyes
  • fatigue
  • Caries
  • Tumors
  • Obesity
  • Joint pain
  • gout
  • Liver hypertrophy
Sulfur oxide, which is released, for example, during exhaust gases from cars and comparable combustion processes, leads to stress on patients with a molybdenum deficiency. Those affected cannot break down the sulfur compounds, for example with smog, like healthy people. But also food which are sulfurized can promote symptoms. A too high concentration due to the admixture in the artificial fertilizer. Joint pain trigger, gout and liver hypertrophy and already in infancy Caries.


Face analysis​

As with Calcium fluoratum, there is a dark shading around the eyes as an important face sign. However, those affected also suffer from complaints such as Joint pain, Bone problems or tooth problems. In people with eye rings who, despite difficulties in life, have a straight and alert eye, therapy is usually included Calcium fluoratum and calcium phosphoricum in consideration. Despite physical complaints, they also have a strong immune system. On the other hand, they can be completely exhausted, with a hopeless look and a weakened immune system help with joint, tooth and bone problems. Molybdenum metallicum is administered in addition to the salts mentioned above.

Other typical face signs of molybdenum personalities are transparent tips of the teeth and cube folds under their eyes. Also ulcers on the tongue, the desire for heat and dry weather as well. Hot flashes can be a sign.


Personality characteristics​

Those affected often demand activity, especially of a creative nature. They are slightly offended and suffer from fears, such as fear of the future. Overall, fear is a very typical personality trait from Schüssler- Salt No. 33. For example, those affected can fear have to be buried alive or humiliated. They avoid narrow spaces, high-altitude places, public places and trips where they are far from home. Molybdenum personalities are often sensitive to odorants or preservatives. They are sometimes apathetic, indifferent, restless and often in a hurry. Also grief, Dissatisfaction and silence describe molybdenum people. Those affected show an aversion to milk, cheese, fruit or sour dishes such as lemons and require cold drinks. Children also often suffer from stutter.

Areas of application​

The Schüssler salt No. 33 is primarily used for problems with uric acid as well as to support bones, tooth enamel and iron metabolism. Depending on the side effects, molybdenum metallicum can also strengthen a weakened immune system and stabilize the acid-base balance.

The Schüssler salt No. 33 – Molybdenum metallicum is used for:
  • Bone problems
  • Tooth problems (e.g. B. Caries)
  • Problems with uric acid
  • Kidney damage
  • a disturbed iron metabolism
  • an unstable acid-base balance
  • tumors
  • Gastroenteritids
  • Skin infections
  • Difficulty breathing
  • diarrhea
  • Swelling (e.g. B. face or hands)
  • gout
  • Liver hypertrophy
from: Schüßler-Salze 33 - Molybdenum metallicum
Very interesting
 
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